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John Paulson, founder of hedge fund firm Paulson & Co, sat down with CNBC's Carl Quintanilla at the Delivering Alpha Conference today and touched on numerous topics, mainly focusing on gold and the housing recovery/real estate.  He noted that his returns this year at his main funds range from 5% and 32%.


Paulson on Gold

He's been getting a lot of negative publicity for his Gold Fund.  However, he points out that this fund is only around 2% of his assets under management.  He was looking for a currency alternative to the US dollar in the event we get inflation, and he notes that gold has been an excellent candidate for this in the past.

Paulson said, "Although the Fed has printed a lot of money to date, there is little inflation.  Some (investors) who bought gold have lost patience.  The rationale for owning gold has not gone away.  The consequences for printing money over time will be inflation... it's just difficult to predict when."

He thinks gold is in a 'pause period' right now and sees demand for gold increasing again and points out that it's always been volatile.  He thinks it's an important part of anyone's portfolio.


Paulson on Housing / Real Estate / Land

They took a long-term view on housing, as it's a cyclical area (7 years up, 7 years down).  They saw a peak around 2006 (and shorted subprime) and they think it's bottomed so they've gone long.  He sees it as the beginning of the recovery and said it could last another 4-7 years, inviting others to jump in, saying "it's not too late."

Paulson went on to say, "Buying a home is the best investment an individual can make.  Affordability is at an all time high.  You can lock in rates of a fixed rate mortgage and get the benefits."

He then continued, noting, "I'm not sure (home prices) will increase 10% every 5 years, but probably around 5-7%."

Paulson has exposure in real estate via land as he says land is actually affected the worst in real estate cycles.  He noticed this pattern in the crisis of 1990, so he set up special real estate funds to exclusively buy entitled lots across the country.

Prices fell almost 80% from their peak value in 2006.  They like to buy in distressed situations (from banks, builders, etc) in growth areas of the country.  They've focused on Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada, and Florida.

They've also played securities:  Before/during the crisis, they shorted BBB tranches, then started buying AAA tranches that fell in price by 40%.

He also highlights his stake in Realogy (RLGY), the largest residential broker in the country (we flagged Paulson's stake in RLGY late last year and also pointed out how Lone Pine Capital bet on RLGY recently as well).

On his bet on the housing recovery, John Paulson said he's as sure of this bet as he was about his subprime short.


Paulson on His Legacy Risk Arbitrage Strategy

Paulson's legacy fund strategy is merger arbitrage.  He talked about how companies he likes to buy are often ones from the announced deals that could get a competitive bid.  He's also looking to see which industries will see consolidation and take a stake in companies that could be takeover targets.

He also talked about his stakes in Sprint and Leap Wireless that have panned out well.

Paulson also noted how there's a lot of talk/chatter in the cable business.  He pointed to John Malone's stake in Charter Communications (CHTR), which he thinks will acquire more cable assets.  While there's been talk of Time Warner Cable (TWC), he says that's a large entity.  He also named Cablevision (CVC) as a potential target, but notes that's up to the Dolan family.

In risk arbitrage, he says "There's always a regulatory risk, and that's an important part of the analysis."

Paulson said he never considered retiring after his successful big subprime bet: "The goal in money management is not to do one great year, it's to compound returns over many years."  He says he'd like to manage money another 20 years, as he admires Warren Buffett and George Soros.

Video from Paulson's interview is embedded below:




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