market folly

We're posting up notes from the Invest For Kids Chicago conference 2015.  Next up is a conversation between Barry Sternlicht (Starwood Capital) and Michael Sacks (GCM Grosvenor).


Barry Sternlicht & Michael Sacks at Invest For Kids Chicago 2015

•    Barry started off at JMB working with the Bluhm family and Malkin.
 •    Left JMB in 91 and started Starwood with $21MM.  Today $51B real estate management firm.
•    Chicago as a real estate market? Great place dynamic city, lots to do. Started two hotel – (one hotel which is green), Baccarat hotel chain – sold for the highest price ever for a hotel to a Chinese buyer.
•    Mall management business based out of Chicago.
•    Pretty strong market. Don’t really play as it’s hard to understand and the supply factors.
•    Have been buying in the tax free states.
•    Agnostic to where he invests – looks for best returns but spends most of his time in real estate.
•    Wants to add value no financial engineering.
•    Buy malls and re-tenants them, redesign, etc.
•    Favorite markets/asset classes in real estate? Thinks high rise residential in midtown will be in a free fall, Arabs and Russians are gone, Chinese are fickle. Wants to short it.
•    Thinks the apartments he bought from Zell are good, a single not a home run, double digit cash flow yields.
•    Slow growth is good for them, doesn’t induce new supply and move interest rates.
•    NYC hotels overbuilt.
•    Canadians bigger tourists versus Chinese. CAD decimated.
•    LT NYC great but short term is hard.
•    REITs aren’t trading well due to flow of funds.
•    Rates up, REITs get killed due to dividend chasers.
•    Credit guys tend to be smarter, focused on cash flow versus equity guys focused on the multiple to put on cash flow which is subjective.
•    Thinks Japan is a big Ponzi scheme. ETF volume in Japan driven by government.
•    Real risk in world is central banks printing money. Printing money and buying real assets doesn’t seem kosher to him.
•    Correlations in stock market picking up.
•    Likes natural gas. Will displace coal.
•    Thinks you’ll see incredible crashes in HY market.
•    All bad actors in the world need higher oil prices.
•    Double digit cash yield on the box, bet on the demographics half of it was south Florida. Miami is the Singapore of the USA.
•    Denver as well, young people like Denver and bought Seattle. Americans not buying houses. Ppl marrying later.
•    Trillion dollars of student debt can’t afford houses.
•    Don’t intend to own those apartments purchased from Sam for 30 years just 5. Highest quality apartments in the class.


Check out the rest of the presentations from Invest For Kids Chicago 2015.